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[22:02] <Phy> Tonight we're going to discuss dimensions of the astral planes so you can begin to become familiar with where you may be visiting when you obe and/or astral travel.
[22:02] <Phy> This seems to be important to a lot of people who are into the indepth, complicated dynamics of astral projection.  Generally, liking to keep things simple for myself, I don't bother with keeping up with which level I'm visiting, or which level I would like to visit on my next outing.
[22:03] <Phy> My reason for this is it forces me to focus on the "dynamics" rather than the experience and if I am not successful in attaining a particular goal during obe I am disappointed to the point that I consider myself a failure.
[22:03] <Phy> Just thought I'd throw that out there.
[22:03] <Phy> Basically, I am aware of a few levels that I prefer to skip over when allowed, specifically the lower planes; however, once beyond these areas, I don't feel a great need to focus upon which level I may be travelling.
[22:04] <Phy> It's easy to remember the levels you don't wish to visit, and I'm sure if you find a level particularly enjoyable it will be just as easy to remember the levels to which you wish to return.
[22:04] <Phy> But before you can even begin to grasp the many levels of the astral planes you must first begin to understand those levels closest to your physical world.
[22:04] <Phy> Therefore, tonight we will discuss those, hoping that when you find yourself here you will recognize it and explore it thoroughly.
[22:04] <Phy> First, let's discuss briefly the non-physical dimensions
[22:05] <Phy> All dimensions "vibrate".  The nonphysical demensions vibrate at a higher frequency than our physical dimension.  This higher vibration is why these dimensions remain invisible to us on a normal daily basis.
[22:05] <Phy>  Though it's possible to raise your vibrational level to a point where you can view these other dimensions, as a medium does, the average person is never aware of what is existing around them as they travel through their normal awake day.
[22:06] <Phy> It's really not so hard to grasp if you think about it but for a moment.
[22:06] <Phy>  look around you.
[22:06] <Phy> How many things do you recognize and accept right at this moment as a normal part of your daily physical life that you are not able to see?
[22:06] <Phy> And of course you are aware of the fact that those things are made up of "energy".  Many things occupy our physical world simultaneously with us that we accept as there, as reality.
[22:07] <Phy> Yet we cannot see it, sometimes can't feel it.  We understand that much of this are things we "NEED" for survival and we take for granted that it will be there whenever we need it.
[22:07] <Phy> Examples of these energy forms are such things as light, gravity and heat.  These types of energies are things that exist with us in our lives, at the same time, occupying and overlapping the same space we occupy, without interfering with each other.
[22:08] <Phy> Yet each energy is of a completely different type with its own uniqueness and its own level of vibration.
[22:08] <Phy> This is an example given to you in order to motivate you to think of the many forms and levels of energy, as when inducing obe or astral travel it is a direct working with energy that allows us to do so.
[22:09] <Phy> So how does this relate to our nonphysical dimensions?
[22:09] <Phy>  Energy generates energy generates energy generates energy, on and on and on, and to a much higher vibration frequency.
[22:09] <Phy>  It is ongoing and nonstopping.
[22:09] <Phy> Once we reach beyond our physical dimension to try to become familiar with the energy of the astral planes it becomes much more complicated.
[22:10] <Phy> Furthermore, the astral planes are but a small part of a vast nonphysical dimensional level.  To make things even more difficult, your mind will greatly affect your perception of what you see and do on these planes.
[22:10] <Phy>  It becomes not so easy to explain where we were, what our thoughts were, and especially how we got there.  This is one reason I don't focus too much on the labels of the planes that have been given to us for order.
[22:10] <Phy> The Astral Planes overlap this physical plane, yet it remains unseen by the physically awake mind.  Generally, though the astral planes overlap our environment here, it doesn't occupy any space...or rather it is nonspacial.
[22:11] <Phy> For your information, the following is a description of the modern theory of the Astral Planes with its seven major dimensions:
[22:11] <Phy> The modern new age belief is taken mainly from the Eastern esoteric theory.
[22:12] <Phy>  It describes seven major dimensions or levels of existence, including this physical dimension.
[22:12] <Phy> This would be solids, liquids, gases and four etheric subplanes. The other six dimensions are labeled as follows:
[22:12] <Phy> Astral
[22:12] <Phy> Mental
[22:12] <Phy> Buddhic
[22:12] <Phy> Atmic
[22:13] <Phy> Anupadaka
[22:13] <Phy> Adi
[22:13] <Phy> Getting deeper, each of these levels are said to contain seven internal levels or planes.
[22:13] <Phy> Additionally, each plane contains a number of lesser sub-planes or realms.
[22:13] <Phy> Getting into all the sub-planes or realms of each of these would take some detail work.  Also, there is some debate concerning this as well as many variations of those I listed here.
[22:14] <Phy> I'm not going to attempt to go into any great detail with this; however, I know there are a few of you here that are interested in the different levels and how you may achieve the highest level possible.
[22:14] <Phy> Still, I hold steadfast to my belief that labeling lends to complication lends to confusion lends to failure.
[22:14] <Phy> At least it does for me.
[22:15] <Phy> Therefore, should you desire more information regarding this, it may be a good idea to gather your own studies in regard to it as I am not all that familiar with the dynamics of this.
[22:16] <Phy> Okay...now....to end my lecture tonight and open the floor for questions, I will mention the following:
[22:16] <Phy> The closest dimension to the physical universe is what I call the "out zone", because when I find myself here I say the word "out" to myself to remind myself to travel farther.
[22:16] <Phy> note the personal label.  lol
[22:17] <Phy> This is where most of you will find yourself during your first attempts to project.  This is basically what I call the "In-between" level and the level I constantly motivate you to reach for initially.
[22:17] <Phy> This "out zone" exists just beyond the physical dimension and just before the astral dimensions.
[22:17] <Phy> It is my belief that this is an overlapping zone of each of these levels (the physical and astral dimensions).
[22:17] <Phy>  It is considered a part of the astral planes, but it is a completely separate dimensional level of either.
[22:18] <Phy> Once you visit this level and compare it with other levels you will visit, you will understand how I arrived at this belief.
[22:18] <Phy> Here you will be able to view your real physical world around you while also being very aware that you are no longer in your body.
[22:18] <Phy> At this point, if you make an affirmation it is very likely you will travel beyond this out zone.
[22:19] <Phy> The floor is yours.

[22:19] <Ocallah> i've been to that out zone
[22:19] <Ocallah> that's the conscious obe i had
[22:19] <Ocallah> and i could touch the physical world.......i bent a branch

[22:19] <Phy> Yes....ocallah....can you share the details of that with us?

[22:19] <Ocallah> i touched my obe body too and it was dense though i could see through it
[22:20] <Ocallah> i couldn't control my thoughts......whatever i thought of, i went there
[22:20] <Ocallah> there was no "thinking about it first"
[22:20] <Ocallah> but was amazed to actually not be able to put my fist through my thigh! LOL!
[22:20] <Ocallah> i don't know why i tried to do that HAHAHA
[22:20] <Ocallah> but able to bend a branch on a pine tree right outside my window
[22:20] <Ocallah> and able to talk myself back into my body......counting from 10 to zero

[22:21] <Phy> wooohooo!
[22:21] <Phy> Excellent!

[22:21] <Ocallah> was awesome and i so want to repeat it
[22:21] <Ocallah> this was about 2 years ago
[22:21] <Ocallah> i had been meditating prior to it

[22:21] <Phy> it takes some practice to be able to control your thoughts
[22:21] <Phy> basically, affirmations help most of all.

[22:21] <Ocallah> nothing unusual about the meditation ..... but i did get very VERY dizzy during meditation

[22:22] <Phy> :) was it this time that you felt vibrations?

[22:22] <Ocallah> and went to bed, closed my eyes to sleep and dizzyness came back.....spinning

[22:22] * Phy nods

[22:22] <Ocallah> no, i've felt vibrations this week

[22:22] <Ocallah> well, back then i just decided to give into the spinning
[22:22] <Ocallah> and next thing i knew, i was outside my window
[22:22] <Ocallah> i swear...it was incredible

[22:23] <Phy> yes it is!  the vibrations....just allow them to happen and vaguely try to increase the frequency.

[22:23] <Ocallah> and it was raining.....but it was NOT raining when i went to bed.....but WAS raining when i got back in my body
[22:23] <Ocallah> and branch on tree was bent

[22:23] <Phy> :)

[22:23] <Ocallah> about five days later, the bent part of tree died
[22:23] <Ocallah> eek! lol!
[22:23] <Ocallah> that's all

[22:23] <Phy> rofl.

[22:23] <Ocallah> thank you for letting me share this

[22:23] <Phy> We definitely wanted to hear.

[22:23] <Ocallah> it was powerful experience i want very much to have again

[22:24] <Phy> have you read robert monroe books?
[22:24] <Phy> and robert bruce?

[22:24] <Ocallah> yes
[22:24] <Ocallah> no
[22:24] <Ocallah> but i read those after this happened

[22:24] <Phy> robert bruce is good too.

[22:24] <Ocallah> very validating
[22:24] <Ocallah> ok, will look into that

[22:24] <Phy> i read them after my experiences and it helped me control it.

[22:24] <Ocallah> ah! great!

[22:24] <Ocallah> ok.....sold
[22:24] <Ocallah> :)

[22:24] <Phy> also very validating.
[22:25] <Phy> I'm sorry we had such a short class for your first visit.

[22:25] <Ocallah> phy....how is it possible that i affected that tree?

[22:25] <Phy> I can only guess energy on that one, ocallah.

[22:25] <Ocallah> i even tried to bring a pine needle with me but, wasn't in the bed :(
[22:26] <Ocallah> must be what it is like to be in spirit?

[22:26] <Phy> oh yes!

[22:26] <Ocallah> difficult to manifest physical things?
[22:26] <Ocallah> difficult to be deliberate?

[22:26] <Phy> i visit with spirits while out there, ocallah

[22:26] <Ocallah> oh kewl Phy!

[22:26] <Ocallah> what is that dimension?
[22:26] <Ocallah> astral?
[22:26] <Ocallah> para-astral?
[22:26] <Ocallah> para-physical?

[22:27] <Phy> all those are astral levels...but i'm not good with the labels.

[22:27] <Ocallah> I NEED A LABEL hahaha
[22:27] <Ocallah> hehe

[22:27] <Phy> i would say that the one you visited was this real-time level.

[22:27] <Ocallah> is that where spirit goes?
[22:27] <Ocallah> ok, so spirit would have to lower its vibration to get there?

[22:27] <Phy> no...that's somewhere higher....though some can be found close to here.

[22:27] <Ocallah> yes, gotchya

[22:27] <Phy> yes...basically they would have to lower their vibration rate.

[22:27] <Ocallah> and that physical form i had
[22:28] <Ocallah> it was me
[22:28] <Ocallah> it was perfect outline of me

[22:28] <Phy> shawnee and lilly are pretty good with levels.

[22:28] <Ocallah> even anatomically "correct" lol
[22:28] <Ocallah> which also surprised me

[22:28] <Phy> yes, me too, ocallah...though transparent.

[22:28] <Ocallah> yes, you were too???

[22:28] <Phy> that vanishes with the other levels though.
[22:28] <Phy> yes.

[22:28] <Ocallah> and can you touch you?

[22:28] <Phy> yes

[22:28] <Ocallah> cool

[22:28] <Ocallah> and are you also "solid"

[22:28] <Phy> i touched my physical once too.

[22:28] <Ocallah> yes, i just read that at your site

[22:29] <Phy> my physical is solid

[22:29] <Ocallah> must have freaked you out

[22:29] <Ocallah> i mean, your obe body......solid

[22:29] <Phy> but it's not impossible to apply a little pressure and, well you know.
[22:29] <Phy> my obe body was semi solid

[22:29] <Ocallah> pressure on the obe body?
[22:29] <Ocallah> ah ok

[22:29] <Phy> i could cross my arms through one another

[22:29] <Ocallah> wow

[22:29] <Phy> there was some resistance but it happened.

[22:30] <Ocallah> i hit my thigh real hard but it wouldn't go through
[22:30] <Ocallah> k, next time i will scratch my own back
[22:30] <Ocallah> hahaha!

[22:30] <Phy> :) because you believed you couldn't.
[22:30] <Phy> rofl

[22:30] <Ocallah> exactly

[22:30] <Phy> You seem really excited about it.

[22:30] <Ocallah> but other things i didn't believe happened

[22:30] <Phy> :) it's surprising sometimes.

[22:30] <Ocallah> like bringing a needle with me back to my body
[22:31] <Ocallah> yes.....ok i am very excited remembering this so i will shut my beak now and let others talk

[22:31] <Ocallah> sorry if i got a bit "passionate" here

[22:31] <Phy> One of the best tools for getting out is keeping a journal.

[22:31] <Phy> no...i also am very passionate about it.
[22:31] <Phy> lol

[22:31] <Ocallah> yes

[22:31] <Phy> others aren't so excited it seems.
[22:32] <Phy> Do we even have anyone with us?

[22:32] <Ocallah> bummer

[22:32] <Phy> I should do roll call.

[22:32] <Ocallah> talk peeps! share!

[22:32] <Lilly> lol

[22:32] <Phy> Lilly, you can help here.

[22:32] <Shawnee> wait a minute, i'm still here

[22:32] <Ocallah> lol

[22:32] <Phy> You can give ocallah some tips on the levels.

[22:32] <Shawnee> but let lilly answer that

[22:32] <Lilly> I was very interested in what was being said...it's just that I already wrote out my question and didn't want to delet it  lOL

[22:33] <Ocallah> it's ok......the level thing has been answered for now :)

[22:33] <Lilly> the more I learn, the more I find out that I don't know all that much!

[22:33] * Denise is still here too

[22:33] <Phy> rofl, lilly, me too.

[22:33] <Ocallah> yes.....God keeps expanding
[22:33] <Ocallah> hehe

[22:33] <Shawnee> sounds more like to me a bi-location

[22:34] * Ocallah says "Gotchya! there you are!" and He expands again

[22:34] <Lilly> just like the terms you just mentioned,..I noticed that the Buddhic is similar to Buddha, which got me thinking....

[22:34] <Phy> well, isn't that what obe is, shawnee?

[22:34] <Phy> :) ocallah

[22:34] <Phy> elaborate, lilly?

[22:35] <Shawnee> no..what what i mean isif she pushed it a bit further she would have bi-located to solid form back in this dimension while her body slept

[22:35] <Lilly> well, with Buddha also known as Ho, (air)
[22:35] <Lilly> and Ra- (water)

[22:35] <Shawnee> but thats ok, let lilly answer the question

[22:35] <Phy> oooo...like an manisfestation?

[22:35] <Lilly> and Da - fire,
[22:35] <Lilly> and Adam --Earth
[22:36] <Lilly> they are the four elements being cared for,
[22:36] <Lilly> I know that Ra was involved with the Nile Area, as the Egyptian god

[22:36] <Ocallah> oh kewl!

[22:36] <Shawnee> ocallh was anything happening above you at the time?

[22:37] <Phy> Shawnee is making a very valid point here.
[22:37] <Phy> correct me if I'm wrong shawnee....
[22:38] <Phy> but is it not true that with mediums...when they are on the astral...that ectoplasma can form and they materialize somewhere in the physical world.

[22:39] <Shawnee> its the age of her soul
[22:39] <Shawnee> the older you are soulwise the more responcibility you have....the older you get the more you can do

[22:40] <Lilly> Phy, when you crossed 'through' with your arms, did you have any feelings or pain associated with this?

[22:40] <Shawnee> why i was asking what was happening above you is that when you get to this point, the angels are above you controling the energy so it doesn't serge

[22:40] <Phy> no pain...just a general feeling of vibration or energy slowing.

[22:41] <Lilly> ok

[22:41] <Shawnee> if you addapted to this reality you would have taken physical form like they do
[22:41] <Shawnee> you can also bend and move things and save lives and carry stuff back with you to your physical body

[22:42] <Lilly> I asked that Phy, as I can't do that, crossing through my own body like that.  Any ideas on why I can't do what you do?

[22:42] <Phy> It's mind control i suppose...if you can pass through walls, you can do that.

[22:43] <Lilly> when I go up there, I am solid, and can feel pain similar to how I feel down here....strange, huh?

[22:43] <Phy> no, not strange.
[22:44] <Phy> I think you have to see yourself as transparent....that's how I saw my body when i was able to do this.

[22:45] <Lilly> you mean change the way you view yourself up there....I've always been very solid, can even feel the hairs on my arm up there...

[22:46] <Phy> I think that we see what we want to see in regard to ourselves.
[22:46] <Phy> most of the time though, people cannot maintain an image of themselves.

[22:46] <Ocallah> ah ha
[22:46] <Ocallah> that makes sense
[22:47] <Ocallah> but i think phy has gotten to a higher vibration
[22:47] <Ocallah> and lilly's experience sounds like mine
[22:47] <Ocallah> maybe we didn't yet get to that higher vibration beyond our astral body
[22:47] <Ocallah> could that be it?

[22:47] <Phy> I'm not so sure about that.

[22:47] <Lilly> it's nice having a forum like this to compare our experiences!

[22:47] <Ocallah> yes!

[22:47] <Michael> it's nice to hear such interesting accounts :))

[22:48] <Ocallah> and totally different from remote viewing where i am "here" and "there" at same time

[22:48] <Phy> Lilly has guided me through some very vivid wide awake astral travels to the interem planes, Ocallah, right here online.

[22:48] <Ocallah> i was only "there"
[22:48] <Ocallah> but not obe, right?

[22:48] <Phy> Yes, that's what Lilly has taught me,,,the here and there thing.

[22:48] <Ocallah> just projection?
[22:48] <Ocallah> yes..ok

[22:48] <Phy> Lilly calls it projection.

[22:48] <Ocallah> i had a friend who came into my kitchen while on puter
[22:48] <Ocallah> Nixie, Sandy.....remember?
[22:49] <Ocallah> her spirit even projected on my cabinet!

[22:49] <Sandy_> yep

[22:49] <Ocallah> and i noticed she seemed to have cut off her bangs
[22:49] <Ocallah> she laughed and said they were held back in a headband
[22:49] <Ocallah> man, was so awesome
[22:49] <Ocallah> she totaly described my kitchen

[22:49] <Michael> maybe the term obe...is restrictive...cause it makes one think in terms of either/or....when it's all just 'experience'....just like you were saying Phy...about labelling...:))

[22:49] <Lilly> when I go up during sleep/lucid awake time, I am very much there, and can't even sense that I have a body waiting for me back on Earth and I feel totally solid, but I think that when we project ourselves, then our bodies are more like Living Light, and with those bodies, we can pass through things, including our own arms, etc.

[22:50] <Phy> :) Michael ;)

[22:50] <Ocallah> yes lilly

[22:50] <Phy> labels set limits.

[22:50] <Ocallah> yes, but in my experience there is a difference
[22:50] <Ocallah> obe and remoteviewing

[22:50] <Michael> and restrict consciousness

[22:51] <Phy> yes, there is a difference, Ocallah.

[22:51] <Ocallah> the moment i thought about my body, i was immediately being pulled backwards toward it

[22:51] <Phy> Exactly

[22:51] <Ocallah> and couldn't stop...... just knew i was on my way back
[22:51] <Ocallah> that's when i began counting
[22:51] <Ocallah> and vibing in my body again, like how you adjust your shoe to fit your foot?

[22:51] <Lilly> I notice that I have a tendency to try to relate things that I see with what I "know" to be normal on the Earth, and it "fuzzies up" what I am actually seeing the moment I try to co-relate the view I see....

[22:51] <Ocallah> sort of shifting around in the shell, ready to open my eyes

[22:51] <Phy> Yes.  I've done a dive into my body before.  Don't want to try that.  lol

[22:51] <Ocallah> lol phy!
[22:52] <Ocallah> oh kewl Lilly!

[22:52] <Phy> Well, I do hope you're able to learn some control with it ocallah.

[22:53] <Ocallah> me too

[22:53] <Phy> You seem to have a very vivid recall of your experience.

[22:53] <Ocallah> yes

[22:53] <Phy> the recall and keeping a journal have to be two of the most important tools.

[22:53] <Ocallah> but hey, it was the only time i've done that where i actually could validate i did it! LOL!
[22:53] <Ocallah> other times i've gone up through ceiling into other apartments
[22:53] <Ocallah> hahaha

[22:53] <Lilly> yes, keeping a journal seems to "program" your mind into thinking to remember, I've found out.

[22:54] <Ocallah> ok, i will try that
[22:54] <Ocallah> how do you control your thoughts out there though?
[22:54] <Ocallah> there's just no time to "think" things through
[22:54] <Ocallah> no pondering....just doing

[22:54] <Phy> practice using affirmations throughout your day.....
[22:54] <Phy> and say them as you meditate....
[22:54] <Phy> soon you will be saying them out there.

[22:55] <Ocallah> can you suggest an affirmation ?

[22:55] <Phy> very short affirmations like...

[22:55] <Phy> I am going out.
[22:55] <Phy> I am out.

[22:55] <Lilly> just tell yourself prior to leaving that "remember, when you think of something, it instantly affects how you travel, as thoughts are instantaneous"

[22:55] <Phy> I can see
[22:55] <Phy> I can fly
[22:55] <Phy> those things.

[22:55] <Ocallah> ok ty

[22:55] <Phy> they work great for me.

[22:55] * Ocallah wants to obe to Sandy's and womp her on the head :)

[22:56] * Sandy wants O to come and yank her out

[22:56] <Ocallah> or pull her out

[22:56] <Lilly> Don't think of "I wonder what my body is doing right now," or I wonder if I can get back to my body---thoughts like that right away draw you back to your body.

[22:56] <Ocallah> so how do you control that though?
[22:56] <Ocallah> how do you not think out there?
[22:56] <Ocallah> lol

[22:56] <Phy> i think once you get out there you'll find that the farthest thing from your mind is your body.

[22:56] <Ocallah> true
[22:57] * Ocallah is excited again

[22:57] <Michael> takes abot 3 weeks for a habit / affirmation to impress itself well on the subconscious....which must be  a help in other realms

[22:57] * Ocallah blasts out tonight and hugs Phy and Michael and Lilly

[22:57] <Lilly> just tell yourself before you go that you will not think about it, KNOWING that you can return easily whenever it is time for you to come back....as your body will draw you back into it, much like a fishing pole draws in a fish....you are reeled back.

[22:57] <Phy> I believe you will become engrossed in what's there once you make it far enough away from your body to keep from being pulled back in.